I asked a local Christian bookstore this week when is A Genereous Orthodoxy arriving (since I asked them to bring in at least 20 copies – more than 4-5 friends would want a copy immediately). I was surprised by the answer. We need to wait for the second printing – no stock!!! I guess those who can’t wait might find another means to get the book.
I must admit, that I read the book pretty fast to try to participate in the group blog aGenerousorthodoxy.com discussion which is at this point quiet. 🙂 But as I rushed through there were more than 4-5 occassions that I wanted to pause further and ask Brian – are you REALLY saying this? or What do you mean? If we really do what you say here, what would happen? I’ve read you before, but this part makes me wonder? .. that kind of questions.
I need to get my copy back from a friend and I’ll start doing those exercises. all in all, I appreciated his “confessional” approach in charting his journey. I’ve read almost all the reviews I could get on this particular book. Some I think were fair, others I thought totally missed the point. Especially at some points I wondered (after reading some severe critique – which came across “unfriendly” to put it mildly) would some of my former teachers in seminary or even myself be “excluded” judged under the light of these criterias. I’ll probably delve more on that another time. The fact is once published, one needs to face the praise as well as the criticism. There’s no turning back. Or is it?
That’s why, I found this article worth a read : A Brotherly Critique and Response. I think before one starts hurling “unfriendly” charges or heresy or doomsday prophecy (to be honest, I’m always tempted to do so myself), is there another way (which I want to learn)? Read on if you’re interested (Brian’s reply to the theologian in italics).
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There is no excess of civility in our public discourse these days, and sadly, that’s too often the case in the world of the church too. This note from a respected theologian shows a very different tone, one that I think is much more in line with our message and mission. My responses are inserted
— like this. – Brian
Brian:
Just completed reading A Generous Orthodoxy. A good book. Good mix
of thoughtful and provocative material laced with powerful
illustrations and a nice touch of humor (especially the first
chapter). I also like the way you reframe, or out-frame, a number of
traditional positions or questions–this has always been one of your
great strengths.
I particularly appreciated the chapters 5,6, 9, and 14. The chapter
on Missional will be excellent for introducing people to the misional
discussion–the two diagrams are great. Your distinction between E
vangelical and evangelical is a useful way to affirm a valuable term
while trimming off some baggage–I liked it. And the mystical/poetic
theme gives voice to something that many of us have felt but not
articulated very well. Thanks. The chapter on Methodism is helpful–I
used your diagrams with a young believer at our church who I am
discipling and ecouraging to start helping someone else–he got the
idea immediately.
I have been chewing on a couple of other points in your discussion and
thought I would mention these to see if I am reading you correctly,
and if I am, to raise a question or two, or perhaps to suggest an
alternate perspective.
1. Exclusivism, etc.
I am wondering about a couple things in this part of your discussion
(pp. 112-14):
a. It seems to me that you have not worked up to your usual standard
of charity here–it has the feel of “my best against your worst” which
elsewhere you have encouraged us (appropriately) to avoid. I am
thinking particularly of your assessment of exclusivism: “I should
just rejoice that I am one of the blessed–meaning I can retire in
Naples, etc.” This is a pretty strong ad hominem which I am sure did
not apply to your grandparents in Angola, although I suspect that they
would have lined up on the exclusivist side. No doubt there are some
exclusivists (and universalists, and inclusivists) who are playing out
their days on the links, but that probably has a lot more to do with
cultural influences than theology.
— I think this is a really legitimate critique. I wish I had done a better job of being charitable in that section. I guess I tried to soften condemning or finger-pointing tendencies by putting it in the first person (maybe the reason Paul uses first person in Romans 7?), but still, I think this is one of the places where people could take offense, and I wish I had avoided it better. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
b. I am not sure that a moderate exclusivist position can’t point you
to Los Angeles (again, it didn’t seem to confuse your grandparents).
How about something like this for a proposal (using your basic
language):
One signpost tells me that some people aren’t ever going to be
blessed [ultimately, at least, because Jesus really seems to believe
in hell]. Does this mean that I should just rejoice that I am one of
the blessed–meaning . . .? Of course not, for I realize that the
story of God’s people has always been that they are blessed in order
that they might be a blessing to all nations. So this signpost points
me toward mission, not away from it.
–Yes, that’s well put.
c. If you feel the need to distance yourself from certain
formulations of exclusivism, as I think I would myself, couldn’t this
be done by employing an upper case/lower case distinction as you did
with E/evangelical?
–Great idea.
2. Why I am Biblical
Basically I liked this chapter. I agree that we have for too long
“flattened” the Bible by a kind of “scientific” approach to exegesis
that treated its various genres like technical prose. This kind of
reductionism needs to be critiqued, and I find your discussion helpful
in emphasizing the narrative and poetic aspects of Scripture.
But I would also say that just here I have some concern. It feels to
me that in avoiding the reductionism of the past you bring in your own
reductionism which could be just as harmful. When you say ” . . . the
Bible itself contains precious little expository prose” I wonder how
that applies to some pretty lengthy sections of the pentateuch or
particularly to the epistles. Granted (as you point out) there are
some poetic elements in the letters, but that is not the bulk of the
material.
— Sorry I wasn’t clear enough here. “Expository prose” for me meant prose intending to explain – like essays or textbooks. So I’m not including history or law in the Old Testament as expository – they’d be narrative and law. And I’d put the epistles in the category of … epistles. Letters aren’t the same as expository prose, although I suppose the lines get blurry. What I was trying to say (not well enough) was that there isn’t much in the way of “First and Second Sexual Morality” in the Bible, or “A Treatise on Free Will,” or “The Book of the Trinity,” or that sort of thing. Again, I could have been a lot clearer.
I think the emphasis on narrative and poetry is important because it
opens up the way for imagination. By being less specific, it is (in
some ways) more mind-expanding. By opening up more possibilities, it
leads to less certainty in interpretation and hopefully more humility
on our part. All this is good and I am on board with you. But if we
minimize the sections that are more expository, don’t we risk the loss
of some pretty important data that shaped the basics of the chrisitian
tradition. … I am just trying to think through what we are going to
give the next generation to work with.
So those are my current thoughts/questions. I know you are busy, so
no need to reply.
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