Comments on: Random Thoughts after a while http://sivinkit.net/archives/1591 happenings in my head and heart this side of heaven Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:47:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Sivin Kit http://sivinkit.net/archives/1591#comment-1206 Sivin Kit Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:14:13 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/1591#comment-1206 Fr'nklin ~ great to have a comment from you. I agree that the "worship service" (as most people perceive it) needs to have a re-examination of its role. In recent years, I've been working towards rethinking its role from a mere "come and fill me up!"-only or "this is a Christian obligation" to how can "meeting" together in this way open us up more to "accomplish" the mission! In our context I try to be a catalyst to encourage ... a healthier view and interaction between smaller groups (we have 5 groups) and the all group gathering about 50-60 adults and 15 kids -worship service- (where others who are less connected with small groups are somehow included). I'm learning more and more to appreciate the value and limitations of both forms, and yet ... consciously thinking reflectively (i.e. theologically & missiologically) on my level how all this translates in concrete situations! Fr’nklin ~ great to have a comment from you. I agree that the “worship service” (as most people perceive it) needs to have a re-examination of its role. In recent years, I’ve been working towards rethinking its role from a mere “come and fill me up!”-only or “this is a Christian obligation” to how can “meeting” together in this way open us up more to “accomplish” the mission! In our context I try to be a catalyst to encourage … a healthier view and interaction between smaller groups (we have 5 groups) and the all group gathering about 50-60 adults and 15 kids -worship service- (where others who are less connected with small groups are somehow included). I’m learning more and more to appreciate the value and limitations of both forms, and yet … consciously thinking reflectively (i.e. theologically & missiologically) on my level how all this translates in concrete situations!

]]> By: Alpha Lim http://sivinkit.net/archives/1591#comment-1205 Alpha Lim Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:06:10 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/1591#comment-1205 just want you to know: from where I stand, BLC is Huge ; D. and the people there (whom I've met) are real, which is great. keep it up! just want you to know: from where I stand, BLC is Huge ; D. and the people there (whom I’ve met) are real, which is great. keep it up!

]]> By: Fr'nklin http://sivinkit.net/archives/1591#comment-1204 Fr'nklin Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:13:02 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/1591#comment-1204 I'm struggling through what "the issues are that matter" to God in our local church. I'm wondering if the whole way we are doing church is really Biblical. We gather on Sunday in a building w/ lots of people, sing songs, lecture for 30 - 40 minutes, take an offering, sing some more, and go home. Is this the Biblical model? Is this what Jesus wants for us? It seems to me we've made the "worship service" the center of the church...the indespinsable thing...while we've regulated fellowship and discipleship (being a part of a small group of peole who "live" w/ us in Christ) to the arena of the optional. Success is evaluated by the # of people coming on Sunday morning or the # of people in our discipleship program. Are we so centered on Worship that life together becomes almost impossible? Is this the Biblical model? Is this what Jesus wants? Have we made an idol out of the worship service? What would church look like if the worship service was NOT the central piece? Would it be more Biblical? Would it be a more Christian way to accomplish "the mission"? I’m struggling through what “the issues are that matter” to God in our local church. I’m wondering if the whole way we are doing church is really Biblical. We gather on Sunday in a building w/ lots of people, sing songs, lecture for 30 - 40 minutes, take an offering, sing some more, and go home. Is this the Biblical model? Is this what Jesus wants for us?

It seems to me we’ve made the “worship service” the center of the church…the indespinsable thing…while we’ve regulated fellowship and discipleship (being a part of a small group of peole who “live” w/ us in Christ) to the arena of the optional. Success is evaluated by the # of people coming on Sunday morning or the # of people in our discipleship program. Are we so centered on Worship that life together becomes almost impossible? Is this the Biblical model? Is this what Jesus wants? Have we made an idol out of the worship service?

What would church look like if the worship service was NOT the central piece? Would it be more Biblical? Would it be a more Christian way to accomplish “the mission”?

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