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	<title>Comments on: Make the Emergent Founder Bishop!</title>
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	<description>happenings in my head and heart this side of heaven</description>
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		<title>By: thewallah</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1634#comment-1308</link>
		<dc:creator>thewallah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One cannot doubt the benefits of the 'emergent conversation', in spite of its detractors. 

However, I observe that this 'conversation' typically attracts the intellectual and illustrious. Really intimidating you know ... especially if one isn't theologically or philosophically trained ... like myself. ;-)

Somehow, I feel that this [complex] 'conversation' will eventually have to be digestible to the common man so they too can be involved in its formative and normative development less we risk creating an 'emergent bourgeois' and 'emergent proletariat'.

- Language / semantic simplification? (distinction between scholarship and pragmatism)
- Intentional &#038; created inclusiveness for the 'conversation' to take place (embracing the different learning styles)
- Partnership projects to model 'emergent' values and questions? (embracing multiple intelligences during the involvement)

Well ... God grant us grace.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One cannot doubt the benefits of the &#8216;emergent conversation&#8217;, in spite of its detractors. </p>
<p>However, I observe that this &#8216;conversation&#8217; typically attracts the intellectual and illustrious. Really intimidating you know &#8230; especially if one isn&#8217;t theologically or philosophically trained &#8230; like myself. <img src='http://sivinkit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Somehow, I feel that this [complex] &#8216;conversation&#8217; will eventually have to be digestible to the common man so they too can be involved in its formative and normative development less we risk creating an &#8216;emergent bourgeois&#8217; and &#8216;emergent proletariat&#8217;.</p>
<p>- Language / semantic simplification? (distinction between scholarship and pragmatism)<br />
- Intentional &#038; created inclusiveness for the &#8216;conversation&#8217; to take place (embracing the different learning styles)<br />
- Partnership projects to model &#8216;emergent&#8217; values and questions? (embracing multiple intelligences during the involvement)</p>
<p>Well &#8230; God grant us grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Sivin Kit</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1634#comment-1307</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivin Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SK ~ I agree locating ourselves (or in your words "positioning") ourselves is important.  But we are not into spending too much "energies" in coming out with position statements (I need some of that energy poured into my own denominations setting but that's a different context).  Plus, who are we to even speak on behalf of anyone in our Malaysia?


For now we are merely encouraging "conversations" - and allowing issues, concerns and stories to surface in a "safe" and trusting environment ... filled with some level of humor as well as prayerfully a big chunk of humility.

This is why I like the more "monastic" order paradigm (especially when it's about life-sharing  community - in our case beyond local church and denominational boundaries) or another term with less history probably is "network" (which would have the "discussions" and "learning" bit).  Having said that, the REALITY is many of us are connected via "friendship" and relationship - and I think this must be given due recognition.  A lot of our interaction has been "generative" - and at least I can speak for myself the insights and ideas shared have helped me "generate" more that helps me where I'm at and where I perceive we should go,  And of course, that "missional" word right ... it's not just for the sake of talking and eating dim sum .. there's a trust that all this will help us become better witnesses in &#038; through our churches, organizations we are part of, people we connect with and live with, etc.

So, what's next? Let me try to be "enhancing" to my denomination first (at least through this weekend).  Then we'll talk more ... or should I saw we'll do more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SK ~ I agree locating ourselves (or in your words &#8220;positioning&#8221;) ourselves is important.  But we are not into spending too much &#8220;energies&#8221; in coming out with position statements (I need some of that energy poured into my own denominations setting but that&#8217;s a different context).  Plus, who are we to even speak on behalf of anyone in our Malaysia?</p>
<p>For now we are merely encouraging &#8220;conversations&#8221; - and allowing issues, concerns and stories to surface in a &#8220;safe&#8221; and trusting environment &#8230; filled with some level of humor as well as prayerfully a big chunk of humility.</p>
<p>This is why I like the more &#8220;monastic&#8221; order paradigm (especially when it&#8217;s about life-sharing  community - in our case beyond local church and denominational boundaries) or another term with less history probably is &#8220;network&#8221; (which would have the &#8220;discussions&#8221; and &#8220;learning&#8221; bit).  Having said that, the REALITY is many of us are connected via &#8220;friendship&#8221; and relationship - and I think this must be given due recognition.  A lot of our interaction has been &#8220;generative&#8221; - and at least I can speak for myself the insights and ideas shared have helped me &#8220;generate&#8221; more that helps me where I&#8217;m at and where I perceive we should go,  And of course, that &#8220;missional&#8221; word right &#8230; it&#8217;s not just for the sake of talking and eating dim sum .. there&#8217;s a trust that all this will help us become better witnesses in &#038; through our churches, organizations we are part of, people we connect with and live with, etc.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s next? Let me try to be &#8220;enhancing&#8221; to my denomination first (at least through this weekend).  Then we&#8217;ll talk more &#8230; or should I saw we&#8217;ll do more.</p>
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		<title>By: Sivin Kit</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1634#comment-1306</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivin Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul ~ indeed things are still "emerging" and conversations are still in progress.  None of us are just sitting around "cooking" all this up.  What is important AND I think helpful is that we ARE thinking, living and experimenting ... not just critically but also creatively.  A little bit of arts and science as far as our life and ministries here in Malaysia is concerned.  Thanks for you smile :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul ~ indeed things are still &#8220;emerging&#8221; and conversations are still in progress.  None of us are just sitting around &#8220;cooking&#8221; all this up.  What is important AND I think helpful is that we ARE thinking, living and experimenting &#8230; not just critically but also creatively.  A little bit of arts and science as far as our life and ministries here in Malaysia is concerned.  Thanks for you smile <img src='http://sivinkit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1634#comment-1305</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the positioning of Emergent's identity is very crucial to people's perception of it. I personally would be very comfortable with the concept of a "life-sharing communal order" (something akin to a monastic order that is well-regulated, and at the same time more communal rather than rigidly formal in nature). In that way, there will be a vulnerable sharing of life within the community. To simply settle for "discussions about..." is never enough, because truth is defined through how a community chooses to embody it (oops, what have I just said?)

I have always seen myself as an anonymous member of an "order", haha. The only thing is, I have not found an order within my current context that provides for this sort of contemplative/sacramental spiritual expression. Hence the need for an Emergent "Order"? We could be the Jesuits of the coming century you know! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the positioning of Emergent&#8217;s identity is very crucial to people&#8217;s perception of it. I personally would be very comfortable with the concept of a &#8220;life-sharing communal order&#8221; (something akin to a monastic order that is well-regulated, and at the same time more communal rather than rigidly formal in nature). In that way, there will be a vulnerable sharing of life within the community. To simply settle for &#8220;discussions about&#8230;&#8221; is never enough, because truth is defined through how a community chooses to embody it (oops, what have I just said?)</p>
<p>I have always seen myself as an anonymous member of an &#8220;order&#8221;, haha. The only thing is, I have not found an order within my current context that provides for this sort of contemplative/sacramental spiritual expression. Hence the need for an Emergent &#8220;Order&#8221;? We could be the Jesuits of the coming century you know! <img src='http://sivinkit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: paul long</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1634#comment-1304</link>
		<dc:creator>paul long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture is still "emerging" :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture is still &#8220;emerging&#8221; <img src='http://sivinkit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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