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	<title>Comments on: More from eMo meeting &#8230;</title>
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	<description>happenings in my head and heart this side of heaven</description>
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		<title>By: hedonese</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1664#comment-1374</link>
		<dc:creator>hedonese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMen, there's a place to use charts... perhaps it wud do good to our msian context to add in a third column, which is 'open' to a critique of postmodernity itself? 

I've been having similar conversation w Dr Leong, and he's probably his own interpreter here (I'm be very comforted by this approach! heheh) 

http://theagora.blogspot.com/2005/04/engaging-unbelief.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMen, there&#8217;s a place to use charts&#8230; perhaps it wud do good to our msian context to add in a third column, which is &#8216;open&#8217; to a critique of postmodernity itself? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been having similar conversation w Dr Leong, and he&#8217;s probably his own interpreter here (I&#8217;m be very comforted by this approach! heheh) </p>
<p><a href="http://theagora.blogspot.com/2005/04/engaging-unbelief.html" rel="nofollow">http://theagora.blogspot.com/2005/04/engaging-unbelief.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sivin Kit</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1664#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivin Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hedonese - as a form of communication and teaching I suppose "charts" are useful for contrasts with its limitations (as you have aptly pointed out). But, there was an honest admission of bias towards being "friendly and open" to the postmodern critiuque of modernity. 

One conscious attempt however which was presented by Kia Meng (and you missed a very "friendly" presentation of modernity and Descarte in particular) was to anchor our understanding of modernity and postmodernity in historical context as much as possible and to show how these types of thinking or philosophies don't come out of a vacuum.

as for the NECF context ... I think Dr. Leong's emphasis was given the climate of more "postmodern" influences how do we "immerse ourselves in the narrative of God" (his exact words) and not fall into the trap of distilling "timeless truths" and then move towards "applications" in our Bible reading and reflection.  He also highlighted the need to "feel" the texts and see beyond mere propositions.

So, it's not so much of "using the Scripture" to critique or see opportunities in modernity or postmodernity (I think there's a place for that), but the exciting question is how such a climate influences how we read the scriptures and how imeersing ourselves in the Scriptures may comfort or challenges our values and worldviews ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hedonese - as a form of communication and teaching I suppose &#8220;charts&#8221; are useful for contrasts with its limitations (as you have aptly pointed out). But, there was an honest admission of bias towards being &#8220;friendly and open&#8221; to the postmodern critiuque of modernity. </p>
<p>One conscious attempt however which was presented by Kia Meng (and you missed a very &#8220;friendly&#8221; presentation of modernity and Descarte in particular) was to anchor our understanding of modernity and postmodernity in historical context as much as possible and to show how these types of thinking or philosophies don&#8217;t come out of a vacuum.</p>
<p>as for the NECF context &#8230; I think Dr. Leong&#8217;s emphasis was given the climate of more &#8220;postmodern&#8221; influences how do we &#8220;immerse ourselves in the narrative of God&#8221; (his exact words) and not fall into the trap of distilling &#8220;timeless truths&#8221; and then move towards &#8220;applications&#8221; in our Bible reading and reflection.  He also highlighted the need to &#8220;feel&#8221; the texts and see beyond mere propositions.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s not so much of &#8220;using the Scripture&#8221; to critique or see opportunities in modernity or postmodernity (I think there&#8217;s a place for that), but the exciting question is how such a climate influences how we read the scriptures and how imeersing ourselves in the Scriptures may comfort or challenges our values and worldviews &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hedonese</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/1664#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>hedonese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps having a chart comparing mo and pomo side by side may not be the most 'careful' way of initiating folks into the discussion... 

Often it results in a 'mo' is out, 'pomo' is in kinda discussion (as seen in some of the exchanges last Sat)

Some folks in NECF wud probably wanna see how Scripture (faithfully interpreted) wud critique AND see opportunities in both mo and pomo...

as u said aptly, it's being a Christian in a pomo world, NOT being a pomo christian...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps having a chart comparing mo and pomo side by side may not be the most &#8216;careful&#8217; way of initiating folks into the discussion&#8230; </p>
<p>Often it results in a &#8216;mo&#8217; is out, &#8216;pomo&#8217; is in kinda discussion (as seen in some of the exchanges last Sat)</p>
<p>Some folks in NECF wud probably wanna see how Scripture (faithfully interpreted) wud critique AND see opportunities in both mo and pomo&#8230;</p>
<p>as u said aptly, it&#8217;s being a Christian in a pomo world, NOT being a pomo christian&#8230;</p>
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