Comments on: You’ll never find the church you’re looking for http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024 happenings in my head and heart this side of heaven Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:51:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Sivin http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1752 Sivin Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:45:46 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1752 Thanks SB, I need to find the "bumprint" poem .. a kind of twist of the "footprint" version which captures your challenge here. For me overdwelling on complaining is unhealthy in the long run, but keeping the conversations open is what gets many of us started in the first place (and that's a little different from complaining with no steps forward and just being stuck). Conversations open up our imaginations to what is possible. So, some talk is still necessary but definately not ONLY talk. So, beyond sleep-walking to eye-opened dancing!? :-) Thanks SB, I need to find the “bumprint” poem .. a kind of twist of the “footprint” version which captures your challenge here. For me overdwelling on complaining is unhealthy in the long run, but keeping the conversations open is what gets many of us started in the first place (and that’s a little different from complaining with no steps forward and just being stuck). Conversations open up our imaginations to what is possible. So, some talk is still necessary but definately not ONLY talk. So, beyond sleep-walking to eye-opened dancing!? :-)

]]> By: SB http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1751 SB Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:34:35 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1751 I like this post. It is true for me too that I must just 'do'. Time to get off our bums and do stuff and stop complaining. I get so much more blessing from just doing than talking about doing... We have not yet embraced the notion that perserverance is good. We must stop wanting instantly. We must be prepared to wade through the mud. It is not about personal spiritual growth; it is about how passionate we are about our Christian faith. Lets stop sleep-walking! I like this post. It is true for me too that I must just ‘do’. Time to get off our bums and do stuff and stop complaining. I get so much more blessing from just doing than talking about doing… We have not yet embraced the notion that perserverance is good. We must stop wanting instantly. We must be prepared to wade through the mud. It is not about personal spiritual growth; it is about how passionate we are about our Christian faith. Lets stop sleep-walking!

]]> By: wahlau http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1750 wahlau Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:42:36 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1750 what you say can be true. But i do observed people's reactions and reasons/excuses nowadays when it comes to church going - more and more are there not for the real reasons anymore. To some (hopefully not most) it is more like ritual/obligation instead of pleasure. These are the ones who ultimately stop, or church hop, or thought they don't need church. hmm, perhaps we should start blogging on a series on the same topic :) what you say can be true. But i do observed people’s reactions and reasons/excuses nowadays when it comes to church going - more and more are there not for the real reasons anymore. To some (hopefully not most) it is more like ritual/obligation instead of pleasure. These are the ones who ultimately stop, or church hop, or thought they don’t need church.

hmm, perhaps we should start blogging on a series on the same topic :)

]]> By: Sivin http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1749 Sivin Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:00:50 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1749 Thanks wahlau for dropping by. I think an important "move" for us is a theological (thinking) move where we see Christianity (cf. Christ-following) as personal and yet not private. IMHO, a lot of our Christian upbringing emphasizing "personal relationship" with Jesus, "private devotions", "experience God personally", etc. have perhaps drawn us to some unintended consequences where a more communal aspect is neglected and thus we struggle with many internal "paralysis of analysis" and miss the gift of allowing the community to hold us - even though we're such a mess .. and allow for some aggresive patience when it comes to our spiritual growth, I'm conscious here about not being "anti-personal" (how else can we relate to anyone, especially God). But the "we" dimension needs a little more airpplay, and the "I" must decrease without being self-destructive (cf. an abusive way), it's more of allowing our story with it;s ups and downs to flow with the wider river of God's story. Thanks wahlau for dropping by. I think an important “move” for us is a theological (thinking) move where we see Christianity (cf. Christ-following) as personal and yet not private. IMHO, a lot of our Christian upbringing emphasizing “personal relationship” with Jesus, “private devotions”, “experience God personally”, etc. have perhaps drawn us to some unintended consequences where a more communal aspect is neglected and thus we struggle with many internal “paralysis of analysis” and miss the gift of allowing the community to hold us - even though we’re such a mess .. and allow for some aggresive patience when it comes to our spiritual growth, I’m conscious here about not being “anti-personal” (how else can we relate to anyone, especially God). But the “we” dimension needs a little more airpplay, and the “I” must decrease without being self-destructive (cf. an abusive way), it’s more of allowing our story with it;s ups and downs to flow with the wider river of God’s story.

]]> By: wahlau http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1748 wahlau Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:31:34 +0000 http://sivinkit.net/archives/2024#comment-1748 we often thought we have good reasons, but at the end we are just there with (hopefully still) good excuses to allow us to dwell in comfort zone, instead of moving on. perhaps that's human? we often thought we have good reasons, but at the end we are just there with (hopefully still) good excuses to allow us to dwell in comfort zone, instead of moving on.

perhaps that’s human?

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