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	<title>Comments on: 2nd Asian American Emergents Skypecast (Recorded)</title>
	<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2117</link>
	<description>happenings in my head and heart this side of heaven</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sivin</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2117#comment-1817</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob K, I think slowly but surely open conversation can occur. It's happening informally but now the challenge is how to share not just the content of the discussions but also the "how to's" for fruitful and enriching exchange.

As for a specifically Malaysian discussion, keeping multiple perspectives in mind is one difficult task.  I try by not having a "divisive" mindset even though  there is place for "distinguishing" the differences.  

In short, as alluded in your comment - a divisive attitude must be repented of while differences need not be feared.  "Labels" must be held on to "loosely" (recognizing its limits and yet liberating us to dialogue freely - with humility and a tinge of humor?).

Sure we need to walk our talk ... a talk only posture is perhaps like most activist rightly says is a waste of time.  But while considering our walk, we need to talk because (1) we've been a little too busy and may have forgotten the people walking with us, (2) It's good to double check with our walking companions whether the direction we are going is right (3) The talks allow for relationships to grow too.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob K, I think slowly but surely open conversation can occur. It&#8217;s happening informally but now the challenge is how to share not just the content of the discussions but also the &#8220;how to&#8217;s&#8221; for fruitful and enriching exchange.</p>
<p>As for a specifically Malaysian discussion, keeping multiple perspectives in mind is one difficult task.  I try by not having a &#8220;divisive&#8221; mindset even though  there is place for &#8220;distinguishing&#8221; the differences.  </p>
<p>In short, as alluded in your comment - a divisive attitude must be repented of while differences need not be feared.  &#8220;Labels&#8221; must be held on to &#8220;loosely&#8221; (recognizing its limits and yet liberating us to dialogue freely - with humility and a tinge of humor?).</p>
<p>Sure we need to walk our talk &#8230; a talk only posture is perhaps like most activist rightly says is a waste of time.  But while considering our walk, we need to talk because (1) we&#8217;ve been a little too busy and may have forgotten the people walking with us, (2) It&#8217;s good to double check with our walking companions whether the direction we are going is right (3) The talks allow for relationships to grow too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sivin</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2117#comment-1816</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, it was great getting to know you.  My take away insight from you was being pragmatic when it comes to discussing the issues and concerns irregardless of the "labels:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, it was great getting to know you.  My take away insight from you was being pragmatic when it comes to discussing the issues and concerns irregardless of the &#8220;labels:</p>
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		<title>By: Bob K</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2117#comment-1815</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having said the above (with a few hours of sleep in between), a few more observations hit me.

I noticed references made about the Malaysian Church .. and I wonder, how often do we think of our work locally as Malaysian. Most of the time we refer to our manifestations as the English churches, Chinese churches, Tamil churches, OA churches et al. Could this unconscious divisive attitude be one of the reasons why we feel so hobbled sometimes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said the above (with a few hours of sleep in between), a few more observations hit me.</p>
<p>I noticed references made about the Malaysian Church .. and I wonder, how often do we think of our work locally as Malaysian. Most of the time we refer to our manifestations as the English churches, Chinese churches, Tamil churches, OA churches et al. Could this unconscious divisive attitude be one of the reasons why we feel so hobbled sometimes?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob K</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2117#comment-1814</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation. Perhaps Malaysian pastors should also be open to having conversations like these to explore the challenges faced by the Church in Malaysia.

One thing I couldn't help noticing was how Sivin tends to use the term "Chinese" in contrast to the other participants preference for the term "Asian". Perhaps we Malaysians are more bound by our ethno-centricity than we would like to? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation. Perhaps Malaysian pastors should also be open to having conversations like these to explore the challenges faced by the Church in Malaysia.</p>
<p>One thing I couldn&#8217;t help noticing was how Sivin tends to use the term &#8220;Chinese&#8221; in contrast to the other participants preference for the term &#8220;Asian&#8221;. Perhaps we Malaysians are more bound by our ethno-centricity than we would like to? <img src='http://sivinkit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: David Park</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2117#comment-1813</link>
		<dc:creator>David Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful conversation. Great to meet you. Looking forward to more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful conversation. Great to meet you. Looking forward to more.</p>
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