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	<title>Comments on: Malaysian Christian Statements on the Lina Joy Judgement</title>
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		<title>By: person</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2612#comment-20692</link>
		<dc:creator>person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the story of Lina Joy, I felt sorry what she has gone through in her life. I was once christian (actually I came from an extremely strict catholic background ).I used to hate to go to church especially were force to do confession and because I was young that time, I just follow what I was taught and I , as a child be4, never question about who I am and my faith . But all of a sudden in my late 20's , I am interested with religion and God. I started to question about life? I have been experiencing spiritual things but I chose not to share it for lots of reason. I believe faith is a personal matter between me and God. I strongly believe that each one of us are very special in the eyes of god, doesnt matter whether we muslim, christians , hindu , buddhist or any religions and we all were given the mind to think, heart to feel and ear to hear.

I wonder why people want to fight about religion? when they know the truth since the beginning God created the world and  Human being (male and female). God never said Adam and Hawa I want you become christian or muslims. He never said here is a certificate for you to proved you a  christians or muslims to prove you are part of God.
God never said about particular religion but he did said "Do not touch the tree Good and Evil". Now,  I believe faith is a matter of heart and when the heart will decide itself , our body will experiencing the events of life , this will create the situation and circumstances of life with the decision follow from our mind that no one cant changed as it will take effect from the impact of our individual experiences of our life.  I can see religion has cause war and its sad God's name was tagging along in every war..Did we ever question who create the war? why people still dont understand that religion is not to blamed here but its the people how they practised their own religion who do not know themselves and not look and feel what is surrounding them. When Lina Joy was condemned and she wants to be a christian , Do you think this is really God's Law? Muslim means Submitting to God and I bet Lina Joy believes in God ... So , why those religious ppl not want to understand in a broad minded way like how god created the world so vast and open mindedly. If these world is so narrow , I dont know how human being can survived? One thing I know and learn in my heart that God is a living God and all he wants us to be is "ourself" and give "Thanks" and personal praise and prayers that came from individuals heart.

I dont understand why Lina Joy was not given the rights to be who she wants to be? Why people so busy body try to stop her from converting and yet they forget to ask their heart.. .."Who am I to judge Lina when I havent seen God"  or meet God personally?  People havent ask why this happen to her ? She might have her reason and we should respect her choice and dont be so judgemental. we must learn to understand about human life and be more supporting instead condemning her. I am tired to see people judging other people when they forget to look at themselves and they do not want to learn that Life is like a Mirror , It reflects to one another....so if Lina Joy believed in God and Jesus ..I think she entitle to her rights and we should praise that she has faith to God and not commiting  a horrible crime  ... From what I learned the event in my life n seeing others , it became the most powerful experience that no one can ever changed a person perceptions or shake a person's faith because of their experience it has shape them to be the person who they today. 

I also tired of those muslim (not all muslims)  who said to me that islam is the only true religion when some of them doesnt even know what is the meaning of "muslim". I am so sad when some muslim (not all but  Some muslim)said to me Jesus is fake when they forget to see in the Holy Quaran Jesus is part of them and Jesus is one of the prophet that they can never take away from their Holy Quran. So if Lina Joy does not allow to have her own choice and some muslim ppl think she made the wrong choice.. then its so hypocracy some of the muslim in Malaysia as they denying Lina like they  denying Jesus(ISA) that exist in their own Holy Quran. 

I loved both of these religion but I cant stand when people try to control people's life and faith. I believe mistakes in life is part of growing process , we all went through the same but different situation and circumstances of life. I believe that no one exist in this world without making mistakes and no one leaving this world without any error in their life. 

I believed Prophet Muhammad was chosen to be a Prophet because God sees the good qualities in him and  in his time , so many people committing crime and people from different tribes killing each other because of misunderstanding . Jesus time also the same , its full of barbaric people and he was chosen to teach those people in his time about God . All the prophets of God went through the same experience and all have their own personal pain and suffering . Ain't we all as human being also experience pain and suffering in our life ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the story of Lina Joy, I felt sorry what she has gone through in her life. I was once christian (actually I came from an extremely strict catholic background ).I used to hate to go to church especially were force to do confession and because I was young that time, I just follow what I was taught and I , as a child be4, never question about who I am and my faith . But all of a sudden in my late 20&#8217;s , I am interested with religion and God. I started to question about life? I have been experiencing spiritual things but I chose not to share it for lots of reason. I believe faith is a personal matter between me and God. I strongly believe that each one of us are very special in the eyes of god, doesnt matter whether we muslim, christians , hindu , buddhist or any religions and we all were given the mind to think, heart to feel and ear to hear.</p>
<p>I wonder why people want to fight about religion? when they know the truth since the beginning God created the world and  Human being (male and female). God never said Adam and Hawa I want you become christian or muslims. He never said here is a certificate for you to proved you a  christians or muslims to prove you are part of God.<br />
God never said about particular religion but he did said &#8220;Do not touch the tree Good and Evil&#8221;. Now,  I believe faith is a matter of heart and when the heart will decide itself , our body will experiencing the events of life , this will create the situation and circumstances of life with the decision follow from our mind that no one cant changed as it will take effect from the impact of our individual experiences of our life.  I can see religion has cause war and its sad God&#8217;s name was tagging along in every war..Did we ever question who create the war? why people still dont understand that religion is not to blamed here but its the people how they practised their own religion who do not know themselves and not look and feel what is surrounding them. When Lina Joy was condemned and she wants to be a christian , Do you think this is really God&#8217;s Law? Muslim means Submitting to God and I bet Lina Joy believes in God &#8230; So , why those religious ppl not want to understand in a broad minded way like how god created the world so vast and open mindedly. If these world is so narrow , I dont know how human being can survived? One thing I know and learn in my heart that God is a living God and all he wants us to be is &#8220;ourself&#8221; and give &#8220;Thanks&#8221; and personal praise and prayers that came from individuals heart.</p>
<p>I dont understand why Lina Joy was not given the rights to be who she wants to be? Why people so busy body try to stop her from converting and yet they forget to ask their heart.. ..&#8221;Who am I to judge Lina when I havent seen God&#8221;  or meet God personally?  People havent ask why this happen to her ? She might have her reason and we should respect her choice and dont be so judgemental. we must learn to understand about human life and be more supporting instead condemning her. I am tired to see people judging other people when they forget to look at themselves and they do not want to learn that Life is like a Mirror , It reflects to one another&#8230;.so if Lina Joy believed in God and Jesus ..I think she entitle to her rights and we should praise that she has faith to God and not commiting  a horrible crime  &#8230; From what I learned the event in my life n seeing others , it became the most powerful experience that no one can ever changed a person perceptions or shake a person&#8217;s faith because of their experience it has shape them to be the person who they today. </p>
<p>I also tired of those muslim (not all muslims)  who said to me that islam is the only true religion when some of them doesnt even know what is the meaning of &#8220;muslim&#8221;. I am so sad when some muslim (not all but  Some muslim)said to me Jesus is fake when they forget to see in the Holy Quaran Jesus is part of them and Jesus is one of the prophet that they can never take away from their Holy Quran. So if Lina Joy does not allow to have her own choice and some muslim ppl think she made the wrong choice.. then its so hypocracy some of the muslim in Malaysia as they denying Lina like they  denying Jesus(ISA) that exist in their own Holy Quran. </p>
<p>I loved both of these religion but I cant stand when people try to control people&#8217;s life and faith. I believe mistakes in life is part of growing process , we all went through the same but different situation and circumstances of life. I believe that no one exist in this world without making mistakes and no one leaving this world without any error in their life. </p>
<p>I believed Prophet Muhammad was chosen to be a Prophet because God sees the good qualities in him and  in his time , so many people committing crime and people from different tribes killing each other because of misunderstanding . Jesus time also the same , its full of barbaric people and he was chosen to teach those people in his time about God . All the prophets of God went through the same experience and all have their own personal pain and suffering . Ain&#8217;t we all as human being also experience pain and suffering in our life ?</p>
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		<title>By: Malaysian Christian Statements on the Lina Joy Judgement &#171; A Christian in Malaysia</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2612#comment-3424</link>
		<dc:creator>Malaysian Christian Statements on the Lina Joy Judgement &#171; A Christian in Malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2612#comment-3424</guid>
		<description>[...] Christian Statements on the Lina Joy&#160;Judgement    Sivin Kit was a little faster than me on this one. And so was Syariah [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Christian Statements on the Lina Joy&nbsp;Judgement    Sivin Kit was a little faster than me on this one. And so was Syariah [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sivin</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2612#comment-3422</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2612#comment-3422</guid>
		<description>zewt - these are official statements.  I think there's also a need for more personal face to face conversations to look at the matter from various angles. Having said that, we will bound to have different (and even strong) opinions. What is important is we are willing to talk and listen and having some space for differences and yet pursing come ground where we can move forward together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zewt - these are official statements.  I think there&#8217;s also a need for more personal face to face conversations to look at the matter from various angles. Having said that, we will bound to have different (and even strong) opinions. What is important is we are willing to talk and listen and having some space for differences and yet pursing come ground where we can move forward together.</p>
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		<title>By: zewt</title>
		<link>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2612#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>zewt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sivinkit.net/archives/2612#comment-3417</guid>
		<description>i spoke to a few islam bloggers about it and i have a very different view about this now. talk more when i see u.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i spoke to a few islam bloggers about it and i have a very different view about this now. talk more when i see u.</p>
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